1. were you yourself converted from a religion other than jw to becoming a jw by door to door work?.
2.did you succeed in converting somebody in your own door to door work causing them to change religions to the point of baptism?.
quick answers, please.. .
1. Were you yourself converted from a religion OTHER than JW to becoming a JW by door to door work?
Yes . . . my wife and I both . . . by an elderly sister working on her own
2.Did you succeed in converting somebody in your own door to door work causing them to change religions to the point of baptism?
Yes (unfortunately) . . . 2 (in 25 years)
Luvonyall
djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
I have some questions about the balance of what you've said, but I'd like to preface them by saying that when a JW tells me that blood is sacred, they're preaching to the choir. I think blood is sacred too.
To me though, it doesn't necessarily follow that the sacredness of blood is profaned or desecrated when it is performing the function that God designed it to do in the first place. (Circulating in the arteries and veins)
I have to agree with JustInFromBethel, that was a heluva post TD . . . may I add my firm affirmation . . . the most compelling reasoning is also usually the simplest . . . alas, this is oftentimes lost on the self-appointed "genius"(still chuckling)
@dgp . . . I in no way meant to belittle your unanswered questions . . . looking back over the thread, your contributions were invaluable in furthering the discussion . . . I share your dissappointment . . . and apologise if I appeared offhand.
@JGnat . . . I hope the discussion produced what you were seeking . . . it was an eye-opener for me when "egg" finally contributed . . . loved your posts . . . love your mind.
Luvonyall
most people in my life that know how frequent i post on this forum find it very troubling.
i have often been accused of "not being able to let go.
" i don't agree that i post here because i'm not willing to let go, i think i post here because i think this place helps other people and i want to be part of it.
Great discussion SAB . . . thanks for opening it . . . I feel a keen sense of familiarity with all that has been said thus far . . . and are pleased that it has been said.
When I found this site, I too saw it as a temporary excursion of limited value . . . but my mind has quickly changed. The shared experience (with it's variations) is such a profoundly deep and intense one, that I feel a strong bond with the people here . . . and I wasn't expecting that.
Now I see it as a community I will not be in a hurry to leave . . . a community which has great value for multiple reasons. I spent 25+ years helping people in to the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses . . . While not making it an "obsession", I look forward to spending many years helping them out again . . . and this forum is a good place to contribute to that.
Luvonyall
djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
Genius? . . . he actually said that of himself? . . . this is getting comical now . . .
If there is any credit to be given to him it would be trying to work around the obstacles that the GB's opinions impose.
Credits = 0
Luvonyall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nszonrr8rai.
hey i guess the jws aren't the only church that doesn't put on special programs for the kids..
The human race is scary . . . religion makes them REAL SCARY
Luvonyall
djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
cantleave / just in from bethel
Point taken . . . It's my first in-depth encounter with this guy and I've seen cult mind-control taken to a new level! Some semblance of education coupled with WT doctrine is an ugly combination . . . and probably quite rare.
All it's told me is that you can be conceited, arrogant, condescending, dismissive and wildly egotistical . . . and STILL BELIEVE you have the "mind of Christ . . . astounding really.
Luvonyall
im just curious about a couple things:.
1. most of you seem to be pretty satisfied that you left the the witness world but now that your gone what drives you now?
what makes you excited about life?
Hi again Deservingone26 . . . I have just gone back and re-read all of your threads . . . may I suggest you do the same if you haven't recently. The reason being, that many of your questions have already been answered.
It is clear that you are a young adult . . . please . . . be patient.
There is so much ahead of you to learn . . . about yourself . . . and the world around you . . . give yourself the opportunity to do so and you will soon find time and experience will provide you with many of the answers you seek . . . and with the right approach (a patient one), you will find the experience itself to be rewarding and enjoyable.
As for the folks here . . . bear in mind that many are still inextricably connected to WT for family reasons and come here for aid in dealing with issues. I hope it is your experience (as has been mine) that the people here are on the most part very caring and good people. Remember too, that for many of us, the WT experience has been a long and intense one, and feel we have lost a large part of our lives to it. And of course, the posters here are coming and going all the time . . . most acknowledge it's a"half-way house" . . . and many have extended stays in order to be of help to others. Either way . . . the shared experience of WT forms the basis of a strong bond.
A patient approach in spiritual matters will benefit you also . . . get used to allowing a place for the "unknown", and yes, make sure of all things. Persue such matters with a clean table before you . . . you'll be suprised what you find . . . and a prayer or two to the one who said "Come to me . . ." . . . can be of great benefit too, in my humble opinion.
Before I began studying almost 30 years ago, I had an avid interest in aviation . . . I spent a few years skydiving and became a qualified pilot before flagging it all for "the truth" . . . since leaving WT I have rejuvinated that interest and made numerous friends of real value.
Hurling yourself at the ground from a great height may not appeal . . . but there must be something you've always wanted to "give it a go" . . . think about it . . . and "give it a go", whatever it may be . . . meet new people . . . there are lot's of good people out there, contrary to what WT may portray.
Do not become overly anxious about now . . . things will get better . . . you'll see. So, stick around for a while yet . . . we're interested, really. I sincerely wish you all the best.
Luvonya
djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
Sigh . . . and the key issue . . . what the Bible really does teach about the role of blood in the sanctity of life remains without reasonable response . . . we can only speculate on the reason for that . . . for djeggnog has nothing to offer . . . apart from parading his "knowledge" and getting his "blast" . . . I'm glad it was good for you
Luvonyall
djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.
his objection was my statement,.
"i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.
It should be obvious that a blood transfusion causes no harm, bodily injury or death to the blood donor, which is not the same as when the Bible talks about pouring the blood out on the ground or shedding blood, which= death.
Moshe . . . that's the basic flaw! . . . without the connection to "life" . . . blood has no spiritual value, literally of symbolically . . . I was hoping DJeggnog's sharp intellect would quickly bring about this realisation . . . perhaps I have misjudged him . . . hopefully he will be grateful for your help and realise that God's intention (ie; respect for "life" - not blood) has been turned on it's head by WTBTS and used to commit pre-meditated murder
dgp . . . Many questions remain unanswered by DJeggnog . . . but I'm sure you'll agree the proper understanding of blood's role in the sanctification of "life" . . . renders most other issues (blood fractions etc) redundant.
Luvonyall
observing how stranglers and those who get ahead of the wt org are left or get ostricised reminded me of similar dynamics in some animal societies, lions, for instance.
lions and housecats are the only felines that form groups.
pack members who get sick or injured and become unable to keep up w the pride are left behind.
Jehovah's Witnesses can easily destroy the credibility of this forum based on a simple character assessment.
So why don't they?
Luvonyall
